reshape the legal
framework and the regulatory framework, so that it can
adjust to the new possibilities. That's what Creative Commons is about,
bringing possibilities to manage their own work, you know, to the creators,
so that the songwriters, the theater play writers, the book writers, and so
and so, can have the possibilities to manage their own work and say-and
determine what their work will serve for.
AMY GOODMAN: We are here in the Time Warner building in New York,
where the personal Democracy Forum is taking place. Can you talk about
your experience with Time Warner?
GILBERTO GIL: Well, when I decided to open one of-some of my songs,
you know, so that recommendation and sharing and everything would be
possible, made possible for other people, I had a "no" from my company-
then my company; I am not Time Warner anymore, then I was-and they
wouldn't allow me to use the songs that they had recorded. And I wanted-
AMY GOODMAN: You wanted them to be able to be downloaded for free?
GILBERTO GIL: Not necessarily to be downloaded for free, but to be open
for different uses, you know, cultural uses by different people, the way the
licenses, the Creative Commons licenses allow people to, so that they could
recombine, they could share, they could redo parts or wholes of the songs
for the cultural purposes, you know? And I couldn't use the pieces that I
had recorded for Time Warner. And then I used some of the pieces that I
had already recorded for myself, because my contract with them was
ending by then, and I had started doing my own recordings and owning my
own recordings and some of them. And then I used some of that.
AMY GOODMAN: Gilberto Gil, do you see the way the music companies
are cracking down on musicians and cracking down on access to music,
calling it piracy, similar to the food companies like Monsanto cracking down
on farmers, because they're claiming they're using their seeds in an
unauthorized way?
GILBERTO GIL: Yeah, this is one of the things that we have to reconsider
-I mean, the whole of the society, as I say, politicizing the new
technology, so that we can discuss the uses, you know, and the restrictions
and how far the restrictions should go and should stay and how open we
should sort of get the whole system, you know, going, because we need
that. I mean, there are several social uses that we can have, from
pharmaceuticals and from intellectual goods and everything, that need
openness to be considered, you know, so that the sharing, the access and
everything, could be permitted. So we have to reshape them and the whole
legal framework, you know, internationally and locally, you know, country
by country and internationally.
And we are doing that. I mean, the Creative Commons project, for
instance, helps a lot this kind of advancement, so that the individuals, the
creators themselves, they can start establishing which kind of use they
want their works to have, and which they allow, which they don't allow the
other people to do their works. But in Brazil, for instance, we are now
launching a whole project of changing the authoral law in Brazil, discussing
AMY GOODMAN: You're working with Lawrence Lessig?
GILBERTO GIL: With Lawrence?
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