movements that were all sort of trying to update Brazil, you know, in terms
of contemporaneity: theater, cinema, plastic arts and music. And, of
course, I mean, like the bossa nova, late '50s, early '60s, was the main
movement engaging. Antonio Carlos Jobim, Vinicius De Moraes, Joao
Gilberto, they came to the States. They did the Carnegie Hall thing. I
mean, the bossa nova became a very important thing.
And then, the Tropicalia came some years later, after the bossa nova and
the Jovem Guarda, the Young Guard movement that was the first level of
Brazilian engagement in rock-and-roll and in the rock-and-roll era. And
with both movements, the young Jovem Guarda and the bossa nova, we
thought that we should sort of use all the Brazilian elements and the things
that were happening outside in the States, in Europe and everywhere to
get Brazilian music to even another sort of level of updating process. And
so, we decided to-yeah, to do things, to bring rock-and-roll, to bring
electric guitars, to bring the new generation's speech, you know, like
people like Bob Dylan and the Stones, the attitude like the Rolling Stones
had and the Beatles had, everything-so we brought all of those elements
together with the Brazilian normal sources, and we developed the Tropicalia
in that fashion.
AMY GOODMAN: Did you see it as a form of resistance? And did the
Brazilian government see it that way, see you as a threat?
GILBERTO GIL: Yeah, that was seen as the threat, because of the
contingents, as I would say, because of the realities of the moment. The
military people had taken the political space. You know, they did the coup
d'etat. They had the dictatorship process starting and everything. So they
would be absolutely crazy about anything that would sort of contest, that
would shake the grounds they were on. And so, they were reacting to all
civil society's movements, you know?
And music was something very important. Music gave the opportunity to
the Brazilian resistance, you know, to oppose the regime through the
songs, with the mobilizing possibilities that music gave society to gather
and to protest, and so and so and so. And Tropicalia was one of those
movements. As I said, next to bossa nova, next to Jovem Guarda came
Tropicalia, and we were considered by the military as dangerous as the
other one, with an increasing thing that we were sort of using long hairs
and having new attitudes, you know, and new possibilities of mobilizing the
youth, and so on. So they really considered us very dangerous to the
regime.
AMY GOODMAN: Why were you imprisoned?
GILBERTO GIL: In Rio.
AMY GOODMAN: And why?
GILBERTO GIL: Why? Because of that. Because of the suspicions that they
had that we could sort of mobilize the society against them and by the
ideas that we addressed, you know, with our speech, I mean, like ideas
about freedom, about freedom of expression, about ways of contesting the
regular ways, you know, of conservative society, to stand up for rights and
everything. So they felt that we meant a menace to them and by being
dangerous. I mean, they had the power to do whatever they wanted to do,
so they imprisoned us.
AMY GOODMAN: How long were you held?
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